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Contact us at yondercast@gmail.com
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Outro Music: Shortened version of “Alethia” by Nihilore is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License.
Ep.13 - Heaven & Helium
[00:00:00] Josh: How's that? Is that good? Okay.
[00:00:03] Patrick: quiet, quiet, quiet, loud.
[00:00:08] Ian: You are a little bit hot. I don't know if
[00:00:11] Patrick: Yeah. I would turn it down on the mic a little bit. Maybe a couple, couple clicks.
[00:00:16] Josh: how's that?
[00:00:17] Ian: That's good.
[00:00:19] Patrick: That's
[00:00:19] Josh: Good.
[00:00:19] Ian: Can you say one more thing, Josh?
[00:00:23] Josh: one more time?
[00:00:26] Patrick: look on a
[00:00:26] Ian: That was beautiful. I think we are good to go.
Hey, happy new year. You guys.
[00:00:33] Josh: happy new year. We haven't gotten to say that yet.
[00:00:36] Ian: No, we haven't.
[00:00:37] Patrick: Wow. I literally legit have not said that to you and it's been like five days and I've been around you for a couple.
[00:00:43] Josh: everybody's been mourning because of Betty White's passing. And so everybody didn't really celebrate new year. It was more like a remembrance day.
[00:00:51] Patrick: a couple of days, for sure.
[00:00:52] Ian: is, that was sad. I'm not like a huge fan or anything. I haven't watched a lot of, you know, stuff that she was in, but what a, what an icon,
[00:01:00] Josh: oh yeah.
[00:01:01] Ian: everybody knows her face. Everybody knows her name.
weirdly enough, Betty White is a huge part of the gay community. And so like, there are gay bars all across the United States right now that are having like remembrance nights and vigils and stuff. She was a huge activist in like every sense of the word.
[00:01:21] Ian: Wow.
[00:01:22] Josh: Yeah. She had a TV show at one point. and, she had a black tap dancer on it.
Have you guys heard about that? people complained because she allowed a black person onto her show and, Basically responded by saying deal with it and then gave the guy more airtime and then her show got canceled and she was like, I wouldn't change a thing.
[00:01:43] Patrick: She's amazing.
[00:01:44] Josh: Yeah.
[00:01:44] Ian: that's how you do it. That's how you become an icon.
[00:01:48] Patrick: Hmm.
[00:01:48] Josh: 99 years. And never any scandal, no past blackface videos popping up or anything like that. The only things that ever popped up was that she was a great person.
[00:01:59] Patrick: Yeah. Like I can't literally think of one singular thing over my entire lifetime that I've ever heard anywhere close to negative about Betty White,
[00:02:08] Josh: Yeah.
[00:02:08] Ian: Well, I have something for you guys in the spirit of the new year. I have an automaton
[00:02:15] Patrick: Oh,
[00:02:17] Ian: and, um, I think I might just be able to do something here.
[00:02:21] Patrick: uh,
[00:02:58] Ian: Um,
[00:03:03] Josh: Okay, now we have to do videos.
[00:03:05] Patrick: Yeah. I know. I'm like kind of upset that I couldn't see the face the entire time of it. Like the little mouth opening, like it was singing it.
[00:03:16] Josh: Oh, I was paying attention to Ian's face the whole time.
[00:03:20] Patrick: Yeah. It was
[00:03:21] Ian: it or not, I didn't practice that at all. That was full improv.
[00:03:28] Patrick: Well, I'm impressed. of looks like one of those like bullets from Mario. That was just doing that.
[00:03:37] Ian: Yeah. It's such a CRE it's such a weird thing.
[00:03:39] Patrick: I have no idea how that thing even works.
[00:03:42] Ian: It's like a touch panel. That's just like the scale and it actually there's three settings, so you can go low
[00:03:51] Patrick: Oh, that was
[00:03:52] Josh: no.
[00:03:54] Ian: you can go medium, which is where it sounds normal. And then you can also go high
[00:04:03] Patrick: Oh, that one might've got my dog freaking out.
[00:04:08] Ian: and then you just like move the mouse to like,
[00:04:15] Patrick: That's the stuff nightmares are made out of like that happening in the middle of the night. Randomly might literally just set me over the edge the little mouth is moving
[00:04:23] Ian: nothing like a Furby though. That was the fuel for my nightmares. When I was a kid, I wanted a, for B so bad everybody did. And then I got one and had the experience where like, you know, you'd be sleeping and in the middle of the night it would just wake up and like,
[00:04:42] Patrick: huh. Uh huh.Yeah. Um,yeah. Um,yeah, my sister got one and I remember my stepdad threw it as hard as he could into the garage. And I remember you could still hear it through the garage, just chipping away the rest of the night. Those things are definitely nightmare fuel. Oh man, that was a great rendition.
[00:05:04] Josh: Yeah, that was the best rendition of jingle bells that I've ever heard. I'm kidding.
[00:05:13] Ian: Well, you know what else is pleasing to the ears? Yonder cast is pleasing to the ears. literally to do the push.
[00:05:24] Patrick: Oh.
[00:05:25] Ian: to yonder cast the show where we discuss science, gaming, and ourselves today, we're going to be, catching up. We haven't recorded in months. We're going to be talking about what's going on in our lives. We're going to talk a little bit about anti-matter. We're going to talk a little bit about what's going on with the COVID virus, And we're going to be talking about all sorts of media games.
You name it. So starting off, how are you guys?
[00:05:51] Josh: I mean, pretty good. I don't know.
[00:05:58] Patrick: I'm about there too. Sometimes it's hard to tell by the minute how I'm actually doing like genuinely.
[00:06:05] Josh: Yeah. I just woke up from a nap. So
[00:06:09] Ian: Yeah.
[00:06:10] Josh: this is like the, the morning for me.
[00:06:12] Ian: It's kind of a weird time. I feel like if we had recorded four or five days ago, we probably would have had different answers for how we were doing. Cause at that point we were just at the tail end of our winter break has a little extra time off around the holidays and the new year, but now we are three days into the, the school year again. And, perhaps that's why we all feel a little bit extra stressed.
[00:06:39] Patrick: I would agree. That's probably it. That was funny. I was trying to remember the last time we had, we had done our podcast. I was texting you guys before that I was afraid I was going to like repeat things, but it's been a, it's been a little bit
[00:06:49] Ian: I don't think you have to be afraid of repeating things. Cause yeah, it's been so long. I don't think there's going to be anything that will have already covered.
[00:06:57] Patrick: you never know, you never know, actually, I might have to bring some, I w I remembered something as I was kind of like thinking about it that might connect to some of the pre prior episodes before
[00:07:06] Josh: Is it hamburgers?
[00:07:08] Patrick: It's not, but that sounds really good right now.
It
[00:07:10] Josh: ever kidney stone?
[00:07:12] Patrick: it does have to do with kidney stones.
So I, yeah, I did not have a kidney stone, but I got a rock tumbler for the holidays.
[00:07:21] Josh: Wait, is that really what the news is?
[00:07:23] Patrick: yeah. So if you guys wanted me to throw those in the rock tumbler for you, Polish them up, getting looking good, that drill, or you think could be a reality. Um, no, we did get a rock tumbler. My, my wife got me for, the holidays and for so many, and the little one can kind of put some rocks in there and we're on kind of stage two, which is, an alarmingly long time to put rocks in a rock tumbler. Like they have to be in there for four different stages about a week at a time. So we let it tumble for five days for stage one to kind of like get all the sharp edges off, which, I mean, it looked pretty good after stage one. We're in stage two now, which is a week, so seven days. So it tumbles for seven straight days. So we had to put it like out in the garage where you can't fully hear it, but
[00:08:07] Ian: What are the different stages? Are you like putting different course notices of things in there or
something?
[00:08:14] Patrick: So basically like it's like grit on sandpaper. So if you're like just trying to get a bunch of material off your use, like a, lower grit counts, a bigger, bigger grit. And then as you start going, you'll use a higher grit count on sandpaper. And this one is just probably finer.
And so as it's tumbling, it just kind of polishes it a little bit more. So getting rid of a bunch of the chunks in smaller than smaller than smaller. So yeah, over about the course of a month to two months, you can have some nice polished kidney stones for you guys.
[00:08:40] Josh: I don't think that there's enough of my kidney stone to Polish it, it disappeared.
[00:08:46] Patrick: It could be stage one and the big grit that could be the thing that puts it over the top.
[00:08:51] Ian: What have you found out that stage one or what you were putting in your rock? Tumbler was just a bunch of kidney stones.
[00:08:58] Patrick: Okay. I feel bad for whoever that came from. It was holy moly. They kinda it's weird. They actually, it almost kind of looks like metal shards in a way. It almost looks like iron filings or I was like, oh, that's a little weird, but no, it definitely, it turned to mud. It was crazy. Like when I opened up a little canister, it was basically like, like, molding clay, like, you'd see in like art class.
So you would just wash that away and it's gone. And then there's a smaller version of the stones you were looking at. It was pretty cool.
I'll let you guys know. In about three to four weeks,
[00:09:28] Ian: that's a fun thing to do, especially with.
I got something kind of, well, actually different, but in a weird way, kind of a similar experience. my wife wanted a dehydrator for Christmas. That's what she asked for.
Um, and I had not thought about getting a dehydrator before, but I did some research and I picked out a nice one and got it for her.
And since then I am the only one who has used it and used it like four times because I have totally fallen in love with it. And just him having a blast, dehydrating different things, tried apples, bananas. I mean, zucchini chips. I got the idea to, bake some chocolate chip cookies and then dehydrate them to see if I could get that like super light crispy, like store bought kind of vibe, which totally worked.
So I've been having a blast dehydrating. I've got like 20 bananas downstairs that I think are going to be just about right tomorrow, or the next day I bought a mandolin slicer so I can cut stuff really. Even I'm like into it,
[00:10:31] Patrick: Wow.
[00:10:32] Josh: I actually just had a conversation with a student about how holidays and receiving gifts change when you become an adult, because I got a vacuum cleaner. And let me tell you, I have never been so excited about a present in years. I have been vacuuming every single day. I love this vacuum and I told my sister about it and we were just laughing really hard cause she got pillows and she cried.
She was so happy.
And it's just like when you're an adult, the weirdest gifts excite you.
[00:11:03] Ian: you get really excited about practical stuff, you know, like stuff, you know, you're going to use.
[00:11:08] Patrick: and the vacuum is huge, especially if it's like the right one for you. that's a game changer too, in, towards of like you just wanting to vacuum, like making your house cleaner now because you just love it so much.
[00:11:20] Josh: I've wanted this vacuum for four years and we've been putting off getting it. And so when we finally got it, I didn't think I was going to get it because I was like, it's too expensive. It's not worth it. We have a nice vacuum, but when I opened it, I was freaking out.
[00:11:35] Ian: That's a lot of buildup
[00:11:37] Josh: Yeah,
[00:11:37] Ian: something for four years. Yeah. That's a big deal.
[00:11:40] Josh: it's a Dyson. It's one of the wall Mount kind that they're so nice.
[00:11:45] Ian: wall,
mountain.
[00:11:47] Patrick: it literally sounds like you were just describing like, me as a 13 year old self waiting to unbox my PS two or something, like just being that excited for it.
[00:11:56] Ian: What games did you get for it?
[00:12:00] Josh: games for my vacuum. Well, right now it's chasing by dogs, hairballs around the house.
[00:12:09] Patrick: Dust bunnies eliminator
[00:12:11] Josh: It's like reverse temple run.
[00:12:16] Patrick: I'm sure the dog.
[00:12:17] Ian: Oh, man. I, I have missed this. You guys, this is a lot of fun and, I have to apologize to you. And I want to, I want to explain to all the listeners as well, that the reason that the Onder cast has been has not put anything out for months is that, as you all know, I had a baby, my wife had a baby to be more specific.
We had a baby and, she is awesome and I have been loving, new parenthood, but it has left very little time for. Other things, but I had a chance to get caught up, over the winter break and now we are back at it and we, we have set some new year's resolutions and we want to make yonder cast a more consistent part of our lives and get more content out there.
So, so that's another big thing. speaking of ringing in the new year, what else have you guys been up to? what's been entertaining you the last few weeks.
[00:13:09] Josh: And it, let me tell you I've been a dog person my entire life. And then I got a cat and now I been trying to show my dog as much affection as possible because I feel bad, but I am a cat person. And I didn't know I was a cat person until I got a cat.
[00:13:27] Ian: Oh, no.
[00:13:29] Josh: Like I was stressed out, lesson planning, sitting on my bed, just going like, gosh, I'm just, I'm really feeling it today.
This is horrible. And the cat just came over and laid on my chest and I was like, this is it. I'm sold. And she just started purring.
[00:13:45] Patrick: Oh yeah,
[00:13:46] Ian: It sounds like you got a good one.
[00:13:47] Josh: Oh yeah. Her name is crumbles because my dog name is cookie.
[00:13:52] Ian: Ah,
[00:13:53] Josh: cookie and crumbles.
[00:13:55] Patrick: a match made in heaven.
[00:13:57] Josh: Yeah. They don't like each other. It makes me sad. I thought they'd be best friends.
[00:14:02] Patrick: Well, they have
[00:14:03] Ian: Has cookie been around cats ever?
this is kind of morbid, but, um, cookie has defeated some cats in the past. When we adopted her, she was six years old and, we were warned from the humane society. don't get her near smaller animals because she thinks they're toys.
[00:14:22] Josh: So we waited until she was like 14, because now she's slow.
[00:14:27] Patrick: how, how big is the dog?
[00:14:29] Josh: She's not that big. She's like the size of two and a half cats
or like 130, 2 bananas,
[00:14:36] Patrick: let's get to say what's the next unit of measurement where code,
[00:14:40] Ian: that's really big.
[00:14:42] Josh: 132 bananas. Is that really big?
[00:14:45] Patrick: I don't know. We'll find out if they fit an Ian's dehydrator or not.
[00:14:48] Ian: yeah, maybe 132 dehydrated bananas.
Hey, were you guys ever fans of the matrix back in the
day?
[00:14:58] Patrick: Yes.
[00:14:58] Josh: hate me. I was not
[00:15:00] Patrick: Okay.
[00:15:02] Ian: It's okay. I really liked it. It made a big impression on me when I was younger. I mean, especially the first one. and I remember not really liking number two and three and thinking that they wouldn't hold up. but you know, the new matrix came out and anticipation of that, my wife and I watched the trilogy again, which actually holds up really well.
I was very pleased with the experience. I enjoyed it greatly. Um,I was let down by the new one.
[00:15:28] Patrick: Mm.
[00:15:28] Ian: I don't know if you guys have watched it, but I did not think that it captured the energy of the original trilogy and brought it forward. I actually thought that there were some things about it.
less, I quality, like I thought that the, the fighting was, and the choreography and stuff was significantly less interesting than even the first matrix that was made, you know, a long time ago. So,
[00:15:50] Josh: I had a student compare it to a Marvel movie. He said that it wasn't even like a matrix movie. It was more like watching a Marvel movie,
[00:15:58] Ian: it felt super, it felt super kind of Disney, defied, to me, you know, like, or, or maybe Marvel fide would be a better way of putting it. Like it just, yeah, it had that kind of energy, that kind of pacing, but more just that kind of like visual color palette and stuff like that. Like, it wasn't, it didn't feel like a matrix movie.
That's a good way of describing it.
Yeah.
[00:16:20] Josh: Uh, Huh.
[00:16:20] Patrick: Do you think it had to do with the actors being older too, to like maybe they aren't as nimble as they were back in the day? Like, I know Keanu's still magnificent, but like he's still the same age.
[00:16:36] Ian: I would've, I would've thought like maybe, you know, yeah. They can't ask these actors to do quite as as intensive, you know, combat scenes or something like that. But Keanu Reeves was John wick, like three movies in a row, not that long ago. And that was some seriously like demanding stuff that he did in those movies.
So I'm sure that he's up for it. I think it was really just direction and choreography because even though there's a whole new cast, they brought in like a whole kind of new, fresh set of faces, young people. and they're combat wasn't that interesting either.
[00:17:09] Patrick: Hm
[00:17:10] Ian: just kind of thought that the plot was like, eh, and they did others, some other Disneyfied things.
I don't want to spoil anything, but like they added in some kind of like CGI characters and CGI stuff that just like did not feel.
[00:17:24] Josh: never
[00:17:24] Ian: Matrix see, There's like a cute robot bird. And I was like a cute robot bird does not belong in the matrix. Does not make sense.
[00:17:36] Patrick: interesting. It seems very less like dark and gritty. And like, I don't know the matrix wasn't like, post-apocalyptic in a way, but it definitely felt like there was like a dark undertone to a lot of the, the early matrix series. It sounds like from what you're describing, it's almost whimsical, which is a different direction.
[00:17:55] Ian: yeah. In a way. And some of the set straight up where like some of the costumes and the sets were like kind of whimsical. It was interesting. Did you guys watch anything Any entertainment recently?
[00:18:05] Josh: I saw Spiderman.
[00:18:07] Ian: Oh man. I'm so jealous.
[00:18:09] Josh: I? I said that, but like, I don't want to give any spoilers. All I'll say is that it totally holds up. It's worth the entire two hours and 10 minutes. It's it's awesome.
[00:18:22] Ian: Spider-Man has always
been my favorite
[00:18:24] Josh: Oh, your favorite? No
[00:18:26] Ian: yeah. Yeah. He's, he's my favorite. And, the new Spider-Man movies are like by far my favorite movies in the Marvel cinematic universe. I really, really enjoy them. They're like the only ones that I want to watch multiple times, and enjoy multiple times.
[00:18:41] Josh: Well, then you're going to love this one because I did not expect to get a nostalgia wave, but I actually cried in the movie theater and my kid was like, elbowing me laughing at me. But I was like sitting there saying, I didn't expect this, but I'm getting waves of nostalgia and just, I am far more committed to this than I realized that I would be.
[00:19:04] Ian: Ah, man, I was so disappointed that they didn't decide to do like a synchronous at home release kind of thing. Cause we're not going to the, the theaters right now. and so I'll just have to wait. you know how, last year or something, there were a couple of movies that came out that Disney plus had them and you could pay like $35 to watch them on Disney plus the same weekend that they came out or something. And I did not do that for those movies. Cause I was like, that's not worth it, but I totally would have done that for Spider-Man. I would definitely would have shelled out the money but I'm sure it will be out in a couple of months. I'll just have to be patient.
[00:19:37] Josh: Plus, Tom Holland takes his shirt off a lot. And so you probably want to see that on the big screen.
[00:19:44] Patrick: Have you seen him doing the lip sinking thing to Rihanna
[00:19:46] Josh: Oh yeah,
[00:19:47] Patrick: that dude? Impressive, absolutely impressive. I was like jaw to the floor. Impressed the entire time.
Yeah, he's great.
You haven't seen that one? Yeah. Maybe me and Josh will have like a little sidebar and you can just watch the video and we can get a reaction of it.
[00:20:05] Josh: Yeah, there needs to be a yonder cast reaction video.
[00:20:09] Patrick: that, that, that could be our first one. Don't watch.
[00:20:12] Ian: Okay.
[00:20:12] Patrick: Well, we'll do a Tom Holland lips, the lip sync battle. Cause that there's a show a while ago. It wasn't like MTV. I remember I forget what station it was, but they didn't like lip-sync battles. and the person singing it in this case, Tom Holland was dressed up kind of like Rihanna was in the music video and simulated what she was doing in the music video.
[00:20:30] Ian: Oh, he was on that like lip-sync show.
[00:20:33] Patrick: yeah.
[00:20:33] Ian: Oh,
[00:20:35] Patrick: it's good. It's really good.
[00:20:37] Ian: Okay. I like Tom Holland. I think that he's talented. I think he was a great pick for Spider-Man Patrick. You went to, a live, live show, like a real live show.
[00:20:46] Patrick: a real live show
[00:20:48] Ian: How was. that?
[00:20:48] Patrick: It was actually really good. it was like a date night for the wife and I, and we went to Hassan Manheim at the Schnitz. And so during the pandemic, it was kind of a, kind of a speaking of wave of nostalgia. we kind of started watching his show, the Patriot act on Netflix over the pandemic cause we were looking for shows to watch and everything else.
So, he was on, I think at the daily show, Trevor Noah for awhile. but yeah, I remember just watching that show and then he was going to come to Portland. So we went and it was just, it was great. It was incredible, like seeing live comedy again for the first time. And what set felt like ages was just incredible.
Very funny, very heartfelt was telling stories about his kids and stuff. So it like hit us on like multiple different levels and there's nothing better than like a comedian who tells like a real. Like good, meaningful story behind the comedy as well. So he's kind of tying in stuff from us, from the pandemic and our kids, and we just love him as, as a comedian.
So it was, it was a great experience. it was just weird being out at that time too. I think he's doing a new Netflix special, so it was great. think the last time I was at the, in any sort of live show was probably at the Schnitz again, we saw a band called churches and that was like forever four years ago, three years ago.
So it's been a while between kids in the pandemic of actually getting out. But yeah, it was great. So much fun.
[00:22:09] Ian: That sounds like fun. And just so our listeners who. Super familiar with Portland. No. When Patrick says the Schnitz, that's not a profanity. That's short for the Arlene Schnitzer concert hall. That
is one of the, one of the nicer venues here in Portland.
[00:22:25] Josh: It's good that you did that. Cause I didn't even know what that was.
I was like, oh cool. It was the Schnitz. That's
[00:22:33] Patrick: Yeah. Don't, don't bleep that out. Like the auto sensor actually gets that out. Also shot, saw a couple shows that I was loving too. And then I've probably mentioned them to you guys a little bit, but one, I was really surprised on and a friend and my sister had told me it surprised me for my sister, but it's called, um,I totally forgot the name and it's not what I wrote in there.
[00:22:56] Ian: is it mythic quest?
[00:22:58] Patrick: quest. Yeah, I put magic quest, but it's definitely not magic. It's mythic quest and it is a show that's legit just right up my alley in terms of like the same people who pretty much were putting on, it's always sunny in Philadelphia. And it's basically about game designers creating an MMO, like world of Warcraft and just going through the stages of development, but there's a little like hidden side to it as well.
And it actually was going on during the pandemic. So they did like a quarantine pandemic episode. So there's a lot of cool connections with that, but I've been really enjoying it. It's just this awesome, nice light-hearted show to put on whenever and it's like relevant to gaming and it's funny, like even my wife can understand a lot about it just from hearing me talking about gaming with you guys and everything else.
So it's a nice fun show.
[00:23:43] Josh: It's a good cast.
[00:23:44] Patrick: Oh, it's an amazing cast. It's really good. I would highly suggest it. The first couple episodes might be a little hard to get into. but I would say after the first season, sorry, getting into something like the more meaningful character building and the relationships between them is pretty good.
[00:23:59] Ian: I'm going to have to give it another try because I watched the first few episodes and I tend to not love, comedies that are really just like people being mean to each other. Like that's kind of the anchor of the show. And there is a lot of that, at least in the early episodes. All of these characters who have clashing, motivations and personalities.
And they have pretty poor social skills and like pretty poor coping skills. And they're just like add at odds. and it's like, sometimes it's fun to watch an episode or two, but it's hard for me to binge that, but it sounds like it's worth given another shot, maybe getting a little further into it, getting to know the characters a bit more.
[00:24:37] Patrick: Yeah in season two, it definitely gets a little better.
[00:24:41] Josh: well, I was actually going to ask that because it looks like the main characters. The guy from it's always sunny in Philadelphia and he was one of the writers for it's always sunny. So if it's anything like it's always sunny. I was like, it's going to be hilarious, but you're just going to feel bad for everybody the way that they rip on each other.
[00:24:59] Patrick: Yeah. It's it's similar. so I think Charlie day is also one of the writers or producers who is also on, it's always sunny. So two of them not a sweet D I don't think she's on, this one, but yeah, it's, it's similar in terms of like a lot of self depreciation and bashing humor. but it just in a completely different setting, but yeah, that's great
[00:25:17] Ian: I have to give that one a try. Well, you guys, I think it might be time to talk about some science.
[00:25:23] Josh: Science.
[00:25:25] Ian: But first, I want to take a quick second to thank our listeners, to thank everybody who has stuck with us through our multiple extended breaks that we've taken from this show and still come back and listen to episodes and given us positive feedback when we do return.
And we're like I said, going to try to be more consistent here in the future. if you do want to give back to the show, the best thing that you can do is rate and review us on apple podcasts or Spotify or wherever you listen. that truly is kind of the thing that will help us to slowly creep up the rankings and show up in more people's searches and things like that.
So that we might get might be able to grow the yonder squad and get some more listeners for the show. So if, if there was anything you wanted to do free of charge, well, free of cost, I guess. I shouldn't say. That would be it. and actually there's another way you can help us out, which is to interact with us and give us, questions and things to talk about on the show.
There's a form that you can fill out. That's linked in the show notes of every episode, it's a Google form. You can fill it out from any platform. And, if you click on that, it will just ask you a couple of questions and you can submit as many of those as you want, however many topics or things that you'd like to ask us.
So please do that. You can also always email us@yondercastatgmail.com. I'm pretty sure is our email, but that's also going to be linked in the show notes as well. And just so you have an idea of what kinds of questions people ask us. I have a couple of listener questions for you guys.
[00:26:56] Patrick: Oh, I love this
[00:26:57] Josh: Oh, no.
[00:26:58] Ian: This one showed up and I was immediately like, oh, we definitely have to talk about this on the show. there's a really famous quote from the Lord of the rings, specifically the fellowship of the ring. And it's a quote from Bilbo Baggins. And he is, I believe celebrating his hundred and 11th birthday
[00:27:15] Patrick: a
hundred 11th birthday.
[00:27:19] Ian: and he says, I don't know, half of you as well as I should. Like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. And one of our listeners submitted that and asked, what does that mean?
[00:27:31] Josh: So I interpreted it as like he's mocking them because he saying half of you, I know nothing about you and the other half, I just don't like, you.
[00:27:45] Patrick: This was, I remember reading this I'm thinking about it and like, okay, what part of the show is this in? Right. So he's celebrating and this is just before he pops the ring on and just pieces out. Right.
[00:27:55] Josh: Yeah.
[00:27:56] Patrick: Okay. That's what I was thinking. Right. And so to me, I'm struggling with this one in two different ways.
I do feel like there's a little bit of like, mocking and almost building them up a little bit. I don't know if this is sincere or not, like if this was sincere. I think it's super nice actually. Like to me that first half is like, you know, I wish I knew you guys more like you, if I were saying this to you guys, I'd be like, I know you guys pretty well, but I wish I knew you a little bit more.
and then the second part, it's like, I should like you guys more, I didn't appreciate you enough. And so that's kind of like where my mind goes with it, but I don't know if that's like a, Hey, I love you guys. You're so great. Boom. I'm gone. Gotcha. I'm out of here. I was saying all these nice things when really I had this devious idea of see you later.
[00:28:40] Patrick: I left on a good note. Now I'm okay with the fact that I'm just going to go and take this ring to myself and do whatever.
[00:28:46] Josh: Yeah, I think it's like a backhanded compliment.
[00:28:50] Ian: that's what I was going to say. It's like the ultimate backhanded compliment. Cause I, I mean, I think, I think you're right, Patrick, that, that first part, I don't know, half of you half as well as I should, like, that's basically saying, I would like to know you more or I'd like to, you know, I should know you better.
then the second part, I like less than half of you half as well, then you, as you deserve, I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. I, at first I read it and I was like, oh, he's saying that there are some people in the audience or in the, in the gathering that he should appreciate more.
It's like a compliment. But I think he's also that half element of like, I like less than half of you, if you take that on its own, I like less than half of you. He's saying that there's half of them that he does not like,
[00:29:39] Patrick: it's like building up the few that he really likes and a big goal. You know, what, to the others, this is what it seems like.
[00:29:47] Ian: okay. So I think we've answered the question. I think the answer is that it means everything at once.
[00:29:51] Patrick: Yep. It's the perfect quote. There's every interpretation.
[00:29:56] Josh: And it was perfect timing because, I got my, my token cookbook Christmas. I was just flipping through it to see if there was any reference to that. I thought I was kind of cheating.
[00:30:08] Ian: is it a lot of like potatoes?
[00:30:12] Josh: There are recipes for potatoes. Yeah. It's basically, things for second breakfast. 11 Zs afternoon tea.
[00:30:22] Patrick: what are the crackers that they eat called Lamis
[00:30:25] Josh: Yeah,
[00:30:26] Patrick: Maybe they'll make that, which makes me think of like hard tack what? From like the military in the early wars,
it was
[00:30:32] Josh: heard it's not good
[00:30:33] Patrick: Yeah.
[00:30:34] Josh: in the token world. It's supposed to be good, but.
[00:30:37] Ian: So a couple of years ago we put together some like emergency packs, You know what you're supposed to have, like a backpack with like food and stuff in it. And I bought some of that emergency food, which is, you know, vacuum sealed and it's supposed to be super high calorie.
And it's basically like these little kind of squares of kind of like a sh super dense shortbread. I haven't actually tried it yet, but apparently it's like a very like high calorie, cookie, essentially like a dehydrated cookie. And I was just, when I bought it, I was like, this is Lamaze bread. That's what this is like, this is a very dense kind of, cause they break it in half and it's like a, like a thick cracker, like a shortbread or something and
[00:31:16] Patrick: well, you're D you have a dehydrator now, too. All you need is like a little like shrink wrapper, heat wrapper, and boom. You got your own can make your own kits.
[00:31:25] Ian: Yeah. I'm going to have to borrow that cookbook, Josh.
[00:31:28] Patrick: Yeah.
[00:31:29] Ian: Okay. Next listener question. We're going to answer to today cause we're a little behind on listener questions. This. I'm really excited to hear what you guys say. One of our listeners asked, what were your favorite games from when you were a kid or a teen, and how do those games differ from the games you like now?
[00:31:45] Josh: Oof. I, I have one. So, Harry Potter, chamber of secrets, PlayStation two,
that game still holds up to this day and you can actually get it, like a rom version and an emulator on your computer. I haven't played it, but that game still stands up. It was like one of the first kind of open world games.
Cause you could run around Hogwarts and explore and there were mysteries and you learn spells and. It, was mindblowing being like, gosh, how old was I? 11, 12. I was playing this game and it was so different from any other game that I had ever played. And it kind of ruined me for video games for a long time.
I just kept replaying that game. The major difference, I think, was just the size of the game. And naturally the graphics, like, it felt like a huge game, but honestly, in hindsight, I bet you that I could beat that game in like three or four hours nowadays.
[00:32:47] Patrick: I'd have to say the two that come to my mind. One from middle school and one from high school, middle school was definitely final fantasy seven on the PlayStation. That was for sure, like the game that got me into gaming. it also probably got into me. I like completionist habits. I wanted like every single materia and every single item in the game and getting it to max level, which is the, like the death of me now.
But I remember, I can't remember, I've told this story in the podcast, but I've definitely printed out like a 600 page walkthrough for the game on the printers at the middle school. And I as a teacher and I'm like, oh my God, that must have been so expensive. Like knowing how much paper that wasted, but I put hundreds of hours into that game.
And what's nice is like, actually in the last couple of years they put out. So it was kind of funny. It's like how it's changed. they obviously changed a little bit of the story, but the graphics, you look at it back then, like seriously Google, like cloud on final fantasy seven. And it looks like six boxes lumped together that are different colors.
And I'm like, I
remember seriously
[00:33:46] Ian: like circles.
[00:33:49] Patrick: Yeah. It looks like Minecraft. but like they put out a remake and it was beautiful. And then the high school one I've you probably got sick of me talking about it, but just Diablo too. Like I played that game nonstop as well. Like I used to like theory craft in my English classes in high school about that game.
And so now I just played a ton on the switch. So it's funny that game, you can actually switch the graphics back and forth. So when you want to know how it looked like back in the day, you just press a button and then boom. It actually puts it in the old, like two thousands graphics versus the updated
[00:34:19] Ian: I really liked that they did that.
This is such a nice touch
[00:34:22] Josh: It was nice, but I found it depressing cause I was like, oh man, I forgot how bad it was.
[00:34:31] Ian: And to answer the question for you, Patrick. How are those games different from the games you like now? The answer is not at all. In fact, they're the exact same games
[00:34:41] Patrick: I'm playing the exact same games that I was when I was little.
[00:34:46] Ian: for me. The first video game that I ever got was, I got a super Nintendo for Christmas and I got donkey Kong country and,
[00:34:57] Josh: gosh.
Sorry you triggered me for a second. Keep going.
[00:35:03] Ian: and that game, made a really big impact on me. to this day, I still love a good platformer, whether it's a side scroller or a 3d platform or like a Mario game or something like that, there's just something about timing jumping and, you know, like overcoming those physical obstacles almost kind of like park.
You know, but not exactly park or like that, that really stuck with me. And I still love those games. And then in high school, that was kind of really when the heyday of, shooters started. So like halo came out halo two, came out and was like the first big game on Xbox live call of duty modern warfare.
The first modern call of duty came out and like made a big splash. And so I got really into those games and I still love a good first person shooter, especially a co-op first person shooter. That is a, that is my favorite. the thing that has changed mostly about games that I really, really like appreciate these days is that a lot of games these days do story and setting,
[00:36:02] Josh: Yeah.
[00:36:03] Ian: which like wasn't even really a thing when I started gaming or when we started gaming, you know, Those platformers, like, I mean, of course they had visuals, but like they didn't tell a story.
It was just about having fun. and so I've, I've grown to really appreciate that about modern games.
[00:36:17] Patrick: And more from a game to an actual immersive experience, like a movie or something else. I feel like a lot of the games now you just aren't feel like you're a part of, rather than you're controlling something else.
[00:36:29] Ian: Right? Exactly.
[00:36:30] Josh: Unless you're talking about PlayStation, which takes it way too far. And then you watch an hour's worth of cut scenes. And you're like, when do I get to play this?
[00:36:40] Ian: Hey, a lot of my favorite games are PlayStation games.
[00:36:44] Patrick: I'm definitely PlayStation over Xbox in that respect.
[00:36:47] Josh: Oh,
[00:36:47] Ian: Well, thanks listeners for those questions. It's super fun when you send us things that we can discuss. So please send us more of those. They can be personal questions. They can be questions about science, whatever you like. We just love to hear from you. And, talk about. What you want us to talk about, and I'm sure that you want us to talk about science considering that's kind of like one of the purposes of this show.
So let's talk about some science. This, this episode, we have two topics. Josh, would you like to go first?
[00:37:16] Josh: Yeah,
[00:37:17] Ian: What'd you like to talk about COVID first?
[00:37:19] Josh: I know, right. First of all, mine, I always pick the depressing ones. I think I said this last time
[00:37:25] Ian: I was just going to make that joke. Yeah.
[00:37:28] Patrick: we all need a good villain.
I think you're an antihero,
less, less of a villain. Yeah. You're just doing your thing. It just happens to be evil.
[00:37:38] Josh: I think that you made that same joke two months ago.
It
was
villain talk.
[00:37:43] Patrick: myself.
[00:37:46] Josh: Yeah. Plus mine is a good appetizer because it's not super long. I thought that it was really nice how concise it was. So, actually I was thinking about something one second. Bear with with. There we go.
[00:38:01] Patrick: Enhance
[00:38:03] Josh: Aye.
[00:38:04] Ian: Bear
with bear, with
[00:38:07] Josh: It was super important to me that I gave credit to the original author of this article and like I had it closed and I felt kind of bad. Cause I was thinking last time, I don't think that I, I credited the author and I was like, I'm, I'm talking about their article. I feel like I should bring them up.
I don't know. So I wanted to
[00:38:25] Ian: And, and I link those in the show notes too. So if, if you're a listener and you want to ever look at the articles that we're talking about, you can always find those linked, beneath the episode as well. Take anyway, take it away, John.
[00:38:37] Josh: now, now I'm going to regret. Now I'm going to regret this though, because I'm going to butcher their name and it probably would have been kinder of me to not say their name at all. so I read this article by Tina Hessman CYA or site. if, if anybody knows how to pronounce that name, I would appreciate learning how, but there's new data on COVID that's starting to emerge.
And I thought it was too interesting to pass up. Because one of the things that everybody's been nervous about, and I'm pretty sure that we actually talked about this at one point is the longterm effects of COVID and how we basically just didn't know if there were going to be any longterm effects.
And it turns out that there's starting to be some long-term effects that are popping up. one of the things that, this author was talking about is that there have been a heightened number of diabetes cases, and they're starting to think that they know why. so one thing that I wanted to preface with though, is that this article makes it a point to say that there is still no causation.
That's been determined. so listeners please, remember it is important in science to, not go around and say a causes B, unless there's some pretty definitive evidence that it causes B. I thought about that while reading that. And so I'm going to try to avoid saying that COVID is causing diabetes.
but basically what's been going on is, has been, a lot of cases of individuals that have had COVID and then they're developing diabetes while they're infected with COVID. and they think that what's actually happening is that the virus itself is attacking fat cells and it's making it so that the fat cells can't produce a hormone that was regulating insulin.
so it's a hormone that's actually communicating with the pancreas. And because that hormone is being interrupted, it's making it so that, patients are at an increased risk of developing diabetes. So it's, it's pretty interesting and also scary at the same time, because for this long period of time, what we were finding is, if you had high blood sugar, or if you had diabetes, COVID was a higher risk for you.
[00:40:59] Josh: I think it was something like you're 15 times more likely to get intubated and, yeah, 3.6 times higher risk of death. If you have high blood sugar and diabetes. And they used to think that how it was working was those were the pre-existing conditions. You catch COVID and then it's putting you at higher risk.
But now they're starting to question, which came first, the chicken or the egg, the COVID or the diabetes. Because they're finding that people are developing diabetes while they have COVID.
[00:41:33] Patrick: Wow. there, was there anything mentioned about that, about like COVID being stored in the body for long COVID like, I can't remember where it heard this, so it's maybe even not a thing. but I was talking about people that have, we're shedding the virus for much longer and finding it in like water systems, because it was the virus is actually staying in our body for longer.
And I think it talked about it being in fat cells. So attacking those fat cells and being in those fat cells, it was actually in your body for longer than it would if it was just an in and out virus. I don't know if they mentioned anything about that or,
[00:42:09] Josh: They didn't mention COVID staying in your body. Long-term although that, I see, I heard that too. It wasn't in this article, but I do think that you and I have had a discussion about this, where there was something that referenced COVID staying in your body. Long-term similar to like how chicken pox. You never really get rid of it.
It's always in your system. but they do have evidence that COVID is actually attacking fat cells, specifically the cells. and it's interrupting a lot of hormonal processes and it's making it so that blood sugar is spiking in individuals.
[00:42:46] Ian: And do they know, do they know if this is like a permanent change? Like will the cells recover that functionality when the COVID is, you know, has finally been removed from the system and less, or does COVID stick around forever or is it like COVID does this damage to these cells? And it kind of like permanently alters the DNA and it, and it never comes back.
[00:43:11] Josh: They didn't really mention if it's long-term, in terms of type two diabetes, if it's caught in time, you can usually make dietary changes. But I mean, something like a virus, I don't know if a dietary change could fix that. they do say that the high blood sugar will probably linger. but they say that that's the worst outcome.
[00:43:31] Ian: Hm.
[00:43:33] Patrick: Yeah, that's really interesting.
[00:43:35] Ian: it's really interesting. Something I had not heard.
[00:43:37] Josh: Yeah, it kind of scared me to be honest because I mean, there's already the, the effects of COVID that everybody is of course afraid of. But now we're starting to find that. I mean, there were patients that were referenced in this article, who they lost their sense of smell and taste and they still haven't recovered it and it's been almost a year.
and so now we're just finding more and more longterm effects where it's like, even if you survive infection, you don't know what's going to end up popping up later down the road. So I think that this is a disease that's gonna stick around for a while, even after it's under control.
[00:44:18] Ian: Well, if anybody needed a reason to not want to get. There you go. Josh just gave me
[00:44:25] Patrick: Yeah.
[00:44:27] Ian: well, thanks Josh.
[00:44:28] Josh: Yeah. Glad I could share some more doom and gloom.
[00:44:33] Patrick: just going to make your happy articles when you share it that much better.
[00:44:37] Ian: well, I was going to say that my article could potentially be kind of a bright spot, specifically, a bright spot in the sky
[00:44:47] Patrick: Hey, uh,
[00:44:49] Ian: because it has to do with stars.
[00:44:52] Patrick: Where's that instrument to give a little slide, whistle Heyo or something like that? I don't know if you have like a
[00:44:59] Ian: I don't know what that was, but, so I read an article about a new galactic discovery, that we may be able to see some anti-matter star.
[00:45:12] Patrick: Hm.
[00:45:12] Ian: sum of the stars that we can see and visually observe with telescopes and instruments and things like that may not actually be composed of matter, but maybe composed of anti-matter. And that this was a really big deal. It kind of was a big shakeup because our current idea about matter and anti-matter is that basically matter is everywhere and anti-matter is extremely rare and doesn't stick around very, very much that the universe is vastly matter and not really anti-matter, but the fact that there may be entire stars made of anti matter means that perhaps it's not as rare as we think it is.
And maybe there's even some places where anti-matter is the dominant form of matter, versus regular old matter. Like we have here in our solar system.
[00:46:03] Patrick: Just that boring, old matter we have here.
[00:46:07] Ian: But more importantly, reading this article made me realize that even though I teach science, I don't really know anything about, anti-matter like, it's totally a topic that I have heard the word many times, but I have never had an opportunity to research it. So I took the opportunity and I did a little bit of research and it's pretty fascinating.
You know, I think that when I first heard the term anti-matter I was told that it was the equal and opposite form of
matter, and that's not incorrect, but for some reason my brain interpreted that and twisted that. And for a long time, I thought that like anti-matter was this kind of like sort of science fiction concept of like, we live in the world of. And some like behind the scenes, there is this hidden world of anti-matter that like, we can't detect or understand because we live in the world of matter.
[00:47:04] Josh: the multi-verse.
[00:47:05] Patrick: yeah,
[00:47:06] Ian: like a parallel universe or an upside down from stranger things, you know, like a, a parallel existence that's it's right there, but you can't see it.
[00:47:14] Patrick: Hmm.
[00:47:15] Ian: that is extremely not correct. Anti-matter
is
not nearly that
exciting. anti-matter is actually just oppositely charged matter.
[00:47:24] Patrick: huh.
[00:47:25] Ian: So matter is composed of protons, neutrons and electrons. Protons are positively charged. Electrons are negative and neutrons have no charge. They're neutral and anti-matter is the same particles, but with opposite charge.
So anti-matter is positively. That are positively charged electrons. Antiprotons are negatively charged protons
[00:47:50] Josh: what a stupid name, whoever came up with that one should be fired.
[00:47:57] Ian: Yeah, I know. And they also didn't come up with anything cool for neutrons. Cause those are just called anti neutrons as well, which are also just neutral, but they have an opposite. What's called bury on number. So they are opposite in some way, even though their charge is also neutral. So it's literally just kind of oppositely charged matter.
It's really not that exciting, but what makes it exciting is that it is extremely rare. You really don't find it, prevalent in our surroundings. And there's a couple of reasons for that, but it's also kind of a mystery because theoretically, a lot of theories about the big bang say that matter and anti-matter should have been created in kind of equal measure and yet matter sort of one anti-matter kind of disappeared and everything's made out of matter.
So like, why is that? Why and where did the anti-matter go? It's kind of a mystery and there's some disagreement, I guess, in, theories about the big bang and, and why that is the case, or whether that's even, a reasonable, hypothesis. And these anti-matter stars might provide a little bit more fuel for some more, developed theories about that.
But I want to tell you what's really cool about anti-matter and maybe the reason why anti-matter, isn't very common, which is that anti-matter and matter destroy each other.
[00:49:17] Patrick: Oh boy.
[00:49:17] Ian: So if you collide matter with its anti-matter, partner, they go through something called annihilation, which is the coolest word ever.
[00:49:27] Patrick: Yeah.
[00:49:28] Ian: And they actually destroy each other. Which kind of sounds if anyone is out there and listening and thinking, Mr. Lake, you told me in science class, you made me memorize that matter cannot be created or destroyed. And you just said that matter can destroy itself or matter and anti-matter can destroy themselves.
just taught that
[00:49:46] Josh: today.
[00:49:46] Patrick: We are. We are doing that today. We're going to get in some trouble. Don't publish this yet.
Wait until after the school year.
[00:49:54] Ian: I'm here to say that. This is evidence for, the conservation of matter, because even though matter is destroying itself, it's basically converted into equal and opposite energy. So they've studied this reaction, they've studied this relationship.
And, what you're left with is energy and momentum, that is equivalent to the matter that you had before. And that equivalency can be shown with the equals MC squared equation. So actually everything is being conserved, even though matter can be destroyed by anti-matter and vice versa. The other thing that's cool about annihilation is that it releases a ton of energy. A very, very high amount of energy. And so there are people out there who think that anti-matter fuel could be the thing that kind of propels us literally, into the, the next stage of space exploration, because like traditional rocket fuel can only take us so far and you, and we can only bring so much, with like kind of a reasonably sized rocket, but anti-matter fuel is so much more efficient that we could achieve much higher speeds and go a lot further and accomplish a lot more with space exploration, both manned and unmanned, using anti-matter because you can
basically
just allow annihilation to create the energy for.
[00:51:18] Patrick: I'm getting like wicked a legend of Korra vibes. I'm seeing like vatu and Rafa battling each other, like matter. And anti-matter good. And dark fighting each other for 10,000 years, releasing all of us avatar energy. Like it's, it's, I'm getting weird visions here and that could legit be the energy that's created and we create like an avatar and it could just be this massive, powerful energy
[00:51:41] Josh: Patrick just wants the superpowers.
[00:51:43] Patrick: Yeah, I know.
[00:51:44] Ian: And suddenly we're all animated and we're like, whoa, I'm a cartoon.
[00:51:50] Patrick: the second thing is like, can you turn matter into anti-matter like, I'm envisioning, like you push it through a mirror and Amir is a reflection and the opposites, right? So your right is your left and your left is. Like, this is obviously more of like a theoretical sort of thing. Like, can you take matter and just shift it?
Like, can you just turn it into another thing? Can you push it through the mirror, into the upside down or the, the multi-verse whatever, can you force it? to become the opposite of it.
[00:52:20] Ian: I do want to clarify that I am far from an expert on this topic,
[00:52:25] Patrick: Tell me now.
[00:52:26] Ian: I hope that nothing that I've said is egregiously wrong. And if anybody is listening and I did say something wrong, please, correct me. And I will happily make a correction statement in the future. but I know that they can make anti-matter.
I don't know if it's like a conversion of matter from anti-matter, but I know that it's very, very hard and it takes particle accelerators. they did mention that. and well, this was actually not in the article about stars. This was a couple of other articles that I read as background, but.
Anti-matter can be made like we, we can make anti-modern we have made anti-matter and in fact, there is a method of storing anti-matter for fuel, which is kind of surprising. What you can do or what they, they, I don't know if they're say you or they, what science can do is make positrons in a particle accelerator and also make antiprotons cool them and then fuse them together into anti helium, which is a helium atom, but all of the charges of all the particles are reversed.
And
[00:53:28] Josh: And it's evil and is in a constant battle against regular helium.
[00:53:33] Patrick: dude. I, I wish we had videos. We could just see Josh's face. Like, I couldn't tell if that was sheer surprise or he had this idea of creating evil helium to use, like maybe that instead of making his voice higher, it makes it lower. And he
[00:53:48] Josh: Get out of my mind.
[00:53:50] Patrick: this full fleshed, like anti avatar.
[00:53:55] Ian: Well, shouldn't anti helium be called
[00:54:01] Patrick: ah,
[00:54:02] Josh: Um,
[00:54:05] Ian: anyway.
[00:54:08] Patrick: I would totally be wrong here. Isn't doesn't some nuclear decay emit positron
[00:54:12] Ian: Yeah.
[00:54:13] Josh: Yeah.
[00:54:14] Ian: anti-matter is also a result of some types of nuclear decay.
[00:54:18] Patrick: Okay.
[00:54:19] Ian: I did also read that.
[00:54:20] Patrick: So it's happening now?
[00:54:23] Ian: Yeah. And so anti-matter exists, but it doesn't stick around.
[00:54:26] Patrick: Gotcha.
[00:54:27] Ian: it's going to find some like something that will annihilate it, or it's just extremely rare. it's not really, like, as far as I could tell it, doesn't kind of like exist out in nature. It's not something that we could like find and purify.
We kind of have to make it. and we have to make that anti helium and get this. When you make anti helium, you can freeze it and store it as pellets. So ultimately it all comes back. Like it's basically just a fuel pellets of anti-matter.
[00:54:53] Josh: So it's basically future Rama.
[00:54:56] Ian: exactly.
exactly.
[00:54:58] Patrick: Imagine what you could cook on that, like a anti-matter trigger, just put those pellets and they're just nuke, basically, whatever you're you're going to cook. You get that dehydrator. I'll get that. Anti-matter Trager. Josh. He can bring something else. Have a great barbecue.
[00:55:15] Ian: but shouldn't an anti Trager be called a heaven egg.
[00:55:25] Patrick: We'll get that slide whistle. They gotta get what's that thing called
that's actually the sound that anti-matter makes when it annihilate something.
[00:55:37] Ian: anti-matter is crazy. And I read somewhere, I need to confirm this because it still feels like there's no way that can be true, but I read something that you need 10 grams of anti-matter to propel a rocket to Mars,
[00:55:50] Josh: I mean,
[00:55:51] Ian: which
[00:55:52] Josh: efficient.
[00:55:53] Patrick: Yeah, that seems really nice.
[00:55:55] Ian: And it seems like, oh, we should be able to get 10 grams of anti-matter.
But the practical limitation is that using a part of particle accelerator produces Like one over one to the 10 to the 23rd piece of that, it's, it's like, makes it, you know, you would have to be able to make quadrillions more anti-matter at a time in order to like, even achieve that small amount.
And to do that, like to, to use the methods we have now, like particle accelerators, the amount of energy that you'd have to input to actually make the anti-matter would be like millions of times more than the energy that you would actually get out of the, the fuel and in the end. So it's like, it would be a huge use of our earthly resources to create the small amount of fuel.
And we don't have a way to actually do it practically,
[00:56:44] Josh: Somebody contact daddy. Jeff Bezos.
[00:56:48] Ian: yeah.
[00:56:49] Patrick: Jeffrey
[00:56:50] Ian: Or know someone contact Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk and get them competing against one another and it'll be ready next year.
[00:56:59] Patrick: is it one of those things that if you were to get enough to just start it, you could get a particle accelerator that's run off of the anti-matter energy and then it would just keep releasing it, like, almost like a fusion reactor in a way, if it releases that much energy in 10 grams, I'm not going to do the math in my head here.
I think it'd be impossible, but could you just make enough to get to like, almost that critical point where you've made enough to surpass the energy required to make it and expel it? So that way it's almost re making all of that energy and then just making free stuff like a fusion reactor. Like once you break that threshold, it's just gonna make more energy than it uses.
[00:57:36] Ian: I
want
to clarify that I am not an expert on this subject. I don't know.
[00:57:42] Patrick: this is, I love this topic though. Cause I've so many just questions that would be so cool.
[00:57:48] Ian: but I mean, Fusion reactors, right. Are like potentially the future of energy. I didn't even know you could do that.
[00:57:59] Josh: I didn't either. I just found the button.
[00:58:03] Ian: Joe, Josh just shared a picture of an extension cord plugged into itself. Problem solved.
[00:58:12] Patrick: I mean, that's what I was thinking. It's like you drew the picture of straight out of my head.
[00:58:17] Ian: But I mean, honestly, if you know, fusion is potentially the future of energy generation. So I mean, what if you could use fusion to power, some sort of process to make anti-medic.
[00:58:30] Josh: Well, and China's already part of the way there. They, just shattered the 1002nd record for a fusion generator. They're basically creating a star on earth and apparently the prospects of it are really fantastic. Like they're blowing past every checkpoint and doing a great job.
[00:58:52] Ian: That's exciting. I mean, that could be world changing.
[00:58:55] Josh: Oh yeah. I hope that they're willing to share
[00:59:00] Ian: The earth is hoping that as well,
[00:59:02] Patrick: Yes, that's
a crazy thought of star on earth.
[00:59:06] Josh: Yeah. I mean, I'm right here.
[00:59:11] Patrick: Slide whistle.
[00:59:17] Josh: That gets better every time
[00:59:19] Patrick: getting good at, it may not be an expert on anti matter, but that instrument has got down. Now.
[00:59:24] Ian: Are you sure you're not an anti star.
[00:59:26] Josh: and anti star.
[00:59:28] Ian: That's what they're calling these anti-matter stars.
[00:59:31] Josh: I need to, I need to find a star that I dislike and collide with them.
[00:59:36] Patrick: We'll find out.
[00:59:37] Ian: Well, that is science for this episode of yonder cast. And we've already talked about some gaming stuff from that listener question, but we haven't actually talked about what we're playing right now. So, I want to know what you guys are up to because it has been months. I'm sure that you have made great strides in your gaming life.
So Josh, let's start with you. What have you been up to.
so I started playing a game, but honestly I have not been gaming that much for the past month. I'm blown away at how little gaming I've done. although now I'm about to list the games that I'm playing and people are going to judge me. Uh, I picked up Pokemon diamond and Pearl, and I've almost beaten that, but the big game that I've been playing is lens island.
[01:00:22] Josh: And I hope that I spelled it correctly. I'm going to feel really bad cause it's like an indie developer and it's basically Stardew valley, but they like improved the graphics. It's still an early access, but I think that the prospects of it are pretty awesome. I, if you like Stardew valley, I'd honestly recommend it because I've been having a good time with it.
I think that they still haven't opened up a lot of things. but yeah, it's, it's been an enjoyable game and they're considering moving it to the switch here pretty soon. I heard.
Yeah, but right now it's just on steam. I think it's only on steam, because like I said, they're an indie developer. They're trying to take things one at a time, but yeah, no, it's, it's been enjoyable.
They have a cool mechanic for, mining. You don't have to repair your tools, which I love, I don't know why I hate repairing tools. I'm always like, just let me use the tool. I don't know when I've been in my backyard shoveling and then the shovel just explodes.
[01:01:22] Ian: And then you have to go make one out of like a piece of rock and some twigs.
[01:01:26] Josh: I need three more rocks before I can continue shoveling,
but yeah, it's enjoyable.
[01:01:32] Ian: I've never played.
[01:01:33] Josh: Oh,
[01:01:34] Ian: And I kind of want to, because I mean, people just rave about it and it seems relaxing.
[01:01:38] Josh: honestly I have had students tell me that Stardew valley, really assisted with overcoming their anxiety. It's amazing how this game. now I'm going to go onto a star valley tangent, but it's amazing how it slowly integrates you into the community. And I don't even know how to explain it. Like I, I loved that game.
I had many, many hours invested into that game. I, I don't know how to put it. It's one of those games where you just have to play it. And then when you start playing it, you finally get to a point where you're like, oh, this is why everyone loves this game.
[01:02:18] Ian: Oh, I'll have to check that out. I've been doing a lot more gaming than I have been in a while. There was, there was quite a while there where I had not picked up a controller or my switch or anything in like many months. but over the break I had time for, it was such a nice break. I had time to dehydrate stuff, spend time with my baby and I got some games.
It was great. And I actually have a couple of recommendations. have either of you played either limbo or inside
[01:02:47] Josh: I've never even heard of them.
[01:02:48] Ian: you haven't,
so limbo and inside are both very small games put up by an independent studio called Playdead and they are some of the most unique games that I've played in a really long time. And. I can't remember what they like full price sticker price was when I looked, I think it was like $15 or something like that, but I got them on a sale for $2 each.
So I know that they go on sale, for, for very low amounts of, of money. And if you ever see them for like a couple of dollars, I really recommend that you pick them up. They're really short games. When I described them, you're going to be like, oh yeah, that's totally an Ian game. Each of these games is like, probably about three hours long, very short.
And both of them are side scrollers
the like wackiest most, the, the most, what's the word I'm looking for? The wackiest, most atmospheric side schoolers that you've ever played. So limbo was their first game and it made a really big splash. It's basically like black and white and it kind of looks like you're playing this like fuzzy. Old film, like that's kind of the aesthetic of it, but it is very beautiful.
The graphics are beautiful. They're just stylized. And the character that you play is like a young, it's a young boy, it's a child and it's just a silhouette. So it's just like a black figure and you can see, his eyes and you're just going from left to right. And it's a kind of, kind of the whole three hours is just a continuous left to right path.
and it's, it's a puzzle game basically. And a lot of the puzzles are timing based. So you can have to figure out how to use the, the things in the environment, and then you have to kind of time it well. So it often takes a few tries to get through it. And it's like dark and kind of foreboding and creepy and super atmospheric.
[01:04:32] Ian: And the puzzles are really well done. And it's just really interesting, but if you only play one of them, I actually recommend that you play the follow-up, which is called
[01:04:42] Patrick: Hm.
[01:04:43] Ian: And it's the same type of game side scroller. The entire game is one continuous, journey essentially kind of feels like an Odyssey from left to right beginning to end and insights.
In particular, there were quite a few moments in those three hours where I was like, did not expect that to happen. It really surprised me. It like made me feel like tension and fearful, because it's a very kind of dark world, but it's also really beautiful and there's some really intriguing moments and the ending.
I'm not quite sure how to feel about it. It's one of those like thought provoking endings. I don't know. It packs a lot into that experience. Like some really good game play, some really amazing visuals. it, it just, it feels like you have. Seen this it's again, a young boy. but it's got a little bit more color and a little bit more kind of like high definition to the graphics, but still very atmospheric.
And I don't want to spoil anything before a game that has no dialogue, pretty minimal sound. It's very quiet game. It's amazing. I highly recommend it. I'm I'm gushing,
[01:05:52] Patrick: And it's on.
[01:05:55] Ian: everything. I think you can get it anywhere. I think you can get it on Xbox PC. I played it on the switch and that was a really good platform for it.
So
[01:06:04] Josh: I think I'm going to get this.
[01:06:06] Ian: Yeah. I mean, especially if you see it for a couple of dollars, it's like, there's no way you're going to feel like you wasted your money.
[01:06:12] Josh: Well now in hindsight, I think I've come across it before. I think that there was a let's play where someone was playing it and I was about to watch it, but then I ended up watching something else. And now I kind of wish that I'd watched it. So I I'm going to double back and watch that or play it.
[01:06:29] Ian: Just so you're aware, I just looked it up and, IGN gave it a 10 out of 10,
[01:06:35] Josh: Oh, wow.
[01:06:37] Ian: so they liked it and I liked it. I think he should play it.
Well, Patrick, you got to give us an update.
[01:06:46] Patrick: don't know if I should.
[01:06:47] Ian: What's going on in the world of Diablo two
[01:06:50] Patrick: I mean, it's legit. All I've played. Like I, I played a lot. The problem with the switch is that there's no problem with the switch. You just pick it up, you put it down. The graphics are great. The gameplay is great. It's so bad. Cause it's so good. Like seriously, like you have 15 minutes.
Like this is what I love about Diablo too. Cause like, if you have 15 minutes and your characters are already at max, you've gotten through the levels and you just wanted to find a couple items, do a little magic, finding a mindless grinding, pick it up for 15 minutes, do your stuff, put it down, done, find something great.
Awesome. If not, no biggie. So that's, I mean, there's really not much to it besides I've been playing it a good amount. It's that fun nostalgic feel? I actually like in sort of a little humble brag ish sort of thing, just created a rune word that I had never been able to do. When I was in high school and I just created it last week.
So at the end of winter break, and it felt like this massive accomplishment for those that play Diablo two, it's an enigma and I'm solo self-owned. So everything I've found I've found myself haven't traded for a thing. So it was a good satisfactory sort of feel like, oh, I did it. And it's like just the best armor for pretty much any character.
So if I wanted to make another character, I know I have the best in slot for that. So it was almost bittersweet because now I don't know, every time you had achieved something pretty high in a game, you are almost like, maybe this is a good time to take a little break. I've played it pretty hard. I've, I've reached a spot that I'm pretty happy with.
And so I'm actually kind of excited to hear about the games you guys are playing that I might be able to pick up and give myself a little bit of time away, from too. So I mean that, and just watching YouTube videos of a Diablo for updates, they just had a quarterly update, which looked awesome. So
[01:08:35] Ian: Um,
[01:08:36] Patrick: that's the kind of giving me my little fix
[01:08:38] Ian: Yeah. It's almost like one of those, like how can you top this kind of moments, right?
[01:08:42] Patrick: Kind of kind of terrifying at the same time, because it's almost like an endpoint. You're a little nervous that this might be the end for me.
It loses its luster. Once you get the best, not the best, best thing in the game. There's other things I can hunt for. Cause I'm, again, unfortunately I'm not a hundred percent of the game, but we'll find every single item which will take years probably. So at least I can feel like I can slow down a little bit.
So think
I'm excited to try some of the other ones
[01:09:06] Ian: it sounds like you're at the stage where you should be a YouTuber, like you should start your own channel.
You should be one of those content creators. Like, you know, everything about.
[01:09:15] Patrick: No, it, I would say that there's a YouTube creator. Mr. Llama S see for Diablo two, he's already got pretty much everything. So it would be impossible for me to overtake that,
uh, well, I don't know. I was going to say there are so many different YouTubers that it's just about differences in personality. It has nothing to do with the stuff. Cause there are like YouTubers that I watch that place of Nautica and they suck at the game. Like I'm better than them and I'm pretty awful, but I watch them because they're so funny to watch.
[01:09:46] Josh: And so like, I don't know. I, I I'd watch you play.
[01:09:49] Patrick: I think we all need to do a let's play. Like that would be like a fun live podcast of us, either playing a game together or just playing a game in general and just talking our way through it.
[01:10:01] Ian: I think, I think something that none of us have ever played, if we can find a good game that none of us have ever played and we play it for the first time and record it. I think that'd be a super fun experience
[01:10:13] Josh: Or phasmophobia.
[01:10:15] Patrick: No,
[01:10:15] Ian: or that
[01:10:17] Patrick: I will sit in the room while you guys play that. I'm, I'm terrified to even do that.
[01:10:22] Ian: well, you're exactly the kind of person that people want to see play the
[01:10:25] Josh: Yeah. I've only played it once and I screamed, I felt bad for the person that I was playing with because I screamed right into the microphone and I'm pretty sure they're deaf now.
[01:10:39] Ian: I'm also
really
terrified. I am not used, I don't watch a lot of jump scare stuff or like horror movies. And so I am not used to it. I will, I will freak out.
[01:10:50] Patrick: maybe we should, like, I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about, I don't know.
[01:10:54] Ian: I think that's it. I think that's what we've got to do. That's gotta be
[01:10:56] Josh: Let's ask our listeners, would they like to watch us play phasmophobia?
[01:11:01] Ian: Email
us, or fill up that.
[01:11:03] Patrick: the answer's going to be.
[01:11:05] Ian: Tell us if you want that, or
[01:11:06] Josh: I asked it.
[01:11:07] Ian: different.
Well, we have one more item of business before we wrap up this week's episode.
Um,
[01:11:15] Patrick: know.
[01:11:15] Ian: Patrick, Josh and I have a surprise for you
[01:11:20] Patrick: Oh gosh.
[01:11:21] Ian: because we're recording this for everyone listening, the day before Patrick's birthday.
[01:11:26] Patrick: Oh, I didn't do this. This is
[01:11:27] Ian: And so Josh and I have been scheming and we to get you a birthday gift.
[01:11:34] Patrick: Oh my gosh. You guys are too much. You gotta stop this stuff.
[01:11:37] Ian: I think that we combined two things that you love.
[01:11:40] Patrick: Oh boy.
[01:11:41] Ian: We are getting you. And of course it's not here yet because it's taking forever. So we'll get it to
you on when it gets here, but we're getting you a new coffee through. With all of the Diablo, two runes on the outside.
[01:11:57] Patrick: Oh my gosh. I will even highlight the one I found to get an enigma and that's how special that mag is going to be to me. You guys are amazing.
[01:12:08] Ian: happy
birthday, Patrick.
that presence.
[01:12:10] Patrick: Perfect. Thank you guys so much.
[01:12:12] Ian: I felt like a jerk because I originally asked us to record on your birthday and you were kind of like, oh, that might not be a good night. And so I was like, well, how about the night before? And then, and then I went into my calendar to put the event
in there and I was like, oh, shoot.
[01:12:28] Patrick: I honestly, my wife goes, that's your birthday? Cause I told her, I was like, we're going over quarter podcast on Wednesday. She's like, that's your birthday? I go, oh, she's like, is that what you want to do for your birthday? And no joke. I thought a long and hard, like. I actually would love to do that on my birthday.
Like, I'm not kidding. Like a podcast with you guys is a great birthday present that the mug a million times better. Yeah. You shouldn't feel bad about it. Oh, I would have been, I would have loved it and would have been a great present either way. So don't worry.
[01:12:58] Ian: hope you enjoy it.
[01:13:00] Patrick: Oh, I will.
[01:13:01] Ian: we'll have to get a, an update the next episode,
[01:13:04] Patrick: Yeah. You're going to see me enjoying it every day.
[01:13:07] Ian: Well, that's the thing for you? Well, actually, probably no one listening knows this about you, but Patrick has this, copy thermos that he routinely leaves everywhere. He goes.
[01:13:19] Josh: Yup.
[01:13:20] Ian: Anytime he comes to your classroom. He brings his coffee in a thermos and leaves.
[01:13:24] Patrick: Uh, is this one, like magnetic and will like stick to my like watch or something. So I can't actually leave it anywhere.
[01:13:31] Josh: It comes with a hip holster.
[01:13:33] Ian: I have to get you one of those. Like GPS tiles or something like that to stick on it.
Awesome. Well, I think that we should wrap up the show. So thanks everybody for watching this episode of Yondercast. If you have a moment rate us and review us wherever you listen to us, that would be greatly appreciated. Send us emails at yondercast@gmail.com. Send us questions and topics that we can discuss using the link in the show notes provided to you. Have a wonderful night. Everybody take care and we'll see you next time.
[01:14:02] Josh: Bye.